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Dingzhi Yu

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34
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Publications

#1 2605.06615v1 May 07, 2026

When and Why SignSGD Outperforms SGD: A Theoretical Study Based on $\ell_1$-norm Lower Bounds

Sign-based optimization algorithms, such as SignSGD and Muon, have garnered significant attention for their remarkable performance in training large foundation models. Despite this empirical success, we still lack a theoretical understanding of when and why these sign-based methods outperform vanilla SGD. The core obstacle is that under standard smoothness and finite variance conditions, SGD is known to be minimax optimal for finding stationary points measured by $\ell_2$-norms, thereby fundamentally precluding any complexity gains for sign-based methods in standard settings. To overcome this barrier, we analyze sign-based optimizers leveraging $\ell_1$-norm stationarity, $\ell_\infty$-smoothness, and a separable noise model, which can better capture the coordinate-wise nature of signed updates. Under this distinct problem geometry, we derive matched upper and lower bounds for SignSGD and explicitly characterize the problem class in which SignSGD provably dominates SGD. Specifically, we compare the \emph{upper bound of SignSGD} with the \emph{lower bound of SGD}, illustrating that SignSGD effectively reduces the complexity by a factor of $d$ under \emph{sparse noise}, where $d$ is the problem dimension. Furthermore, we elevate this framework to the matrix domain, providing an equivalent optimal lower bound for the Muon optimizer, proving that extending the sign operator to matrices preserves this optimal scaling with dimensionality. Finally, we bridge our theoretical bounds to practice, demonstrating that the theoretical superiority of SignSGD accurately predicts its faster convergence during the pretraining of a 124M parameter GPT-2 model.

Dingzhi Yu Hongyin Tao Lijun Zhang
0 Citations
#2 2604.15416v1 Apr 16, 2026

StoSignSGD: Unbiased Structural Stochasticity Fixes SignSGD for Training Large Language Models

Sign-based optimization algorithms, such as SignSGD, have garnered significant attention for their remarkable performance in distributed learning and training large foundation models. Despite their empirical superiority, SignSGD is known to diverge on non-smooth objectives, which are ubiquitous in modern machine learning due to ReLUs, max-pools, and mixture-of-experts. To overcome this fundamental limitation, we propose \textbf{StoSignSGD}, an algorithm that injects structural stochasticity into the sign operator while maintaining an unbiased update step. In the regime of (online) convex optimization, our theoretical analysis shows that StoSignSGD rigorously resolves the non-convergence issues of SignSGD, achieving a sharp convergence rate matching the lower bound. For the more challenging non-convex non-smooth optimization, we introduce generalized stationary measures that encompass prior definitions, proving that StoSignSGD improves upon the best-known complexity bounds by dimensional factors. Empirically, StoSignSGD exhibits robust stability and superior efficiency across diverse large language model (LLM) training regimes. Notably, in low-precision FP8 pretraining -- a setting where AdamW fails catastrophically -- StoSignSGD remains highly stable and yields a remarkable 1.44$\times$ to 2.14$\times$ speedup relative to established baselines. Furthermore, when fine-tuning 7B LLMs on mathematical reasoning tasks, StoSignSGD delivers substantial performance gains over both AdamW and SignSGD. Finally, to dissect the mechanisms driving its success, we develop a sign conversion framework capable of transforming any general optimizer into its unbiased, sign-based counterpart. Utilizing this framework, we deconstruct the core components of StoSignSGD and present a comprehensive ablation study to empirically validate our algorithmic design choices.

Rui Pan Yuxing Liu Dingzhi Yu Tong Zhang
2 Citations