Rui Yan
Publications
Extreme Region Policy Distillation
Reinforcement learning for large language models faces a fundamental trade-off between sample efficiency and asymptotic performance: strictly on-policy methods discard trajectories after a single update, while off-policy reuse introduces distribution mismatch that existing trust-region techniques mitigate primarily by enforcing conservative optimization, often leaving rich training signals underutilized. To investigate this, we perform extensive off-policy updates on fixed data. Our experiments reveal that aggressive multi-step optimization brings rapid initial gains, but excessive updates cause trajectory probabilities to deviate and entropy to collapse, with performance plateauing early. Tightening KL constraints merely lowers the ceiling without resolving the degradation. This motivates Extreme Region Policy Distillation (ERPD), a two-stage framework that decouples sample efficiency from KL efficiency. The first stage performs weakly constrained off-policy optimization on fixed data to maximally extract training signals. The resulting policy provides token-level supervision. In the second stage, we distill these signals into the base policy under trust-region constraints, filtering harmful drift while preserving useful signals. The distilled policy achieves comparable or better performance with substantially smaller KL divergence, indicating that much of the first-stage divergence was spent on unnecessary drift rather than genuine improvement. Crucially, ERPD accommodates both strong and weak teachers: when aggressive optimization yields no stronger policy, even degenerate teachers provide effective supervision via alternative signal construction strategies. We validate ERPD on mathematical reasoning, showing gains for strong base models where on-policy training plateaus, and reliable improvements with weak teachers.
Controlled LLM Training on Spectral Sphere
Scaling large models requires optimization strategies that ensure rapid convergence grounded in stability. Maximal Update Parametrization ($\boldsymbolμ$P) provides a theoretical safeguard for width-invariant $Θ(1)$ activation control, whereas emerging optimizers like Muon are only ``half-aligned'' with these constraints: they control updates but allow weights to drift. To address this limitation, we introduce the \textbf{Spectral Sphere Optimizer (SSO)}, which enforces strict module-wise spectral constraints on both weights and their updates. By deriving the steepest descent direction on the spectral sphere, SSO realizes a fully $\boldsymbolμ$P-aligned optimization process. To enable large-scale training, we implement SSO as an efficient parallel algorithm within Megatron. Through extensive pretraining on diverse architectures, including Dense 1.7B, MoE 8B-A1B, and 200-layer DeepNet models, SSO consistently outperforms AdamW and Muon. Furthermore, we observe significant practical stability benefits, including improved MoE router load balancing, suppressed outliers, and strictly bounded activations.