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C. Liu

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#1 2606.05682v1 Jun 04, 2026

Beyond Output Matching: Preserving Internal Geometry in NVFP4 LLM Distillatio

Demand for low-precision inference, including NVFP4-based approaches, has grown as large language models are increasingly deployed in latency and cost constrained production environments. Quantization-aware distillation (QAD) helps recover accuracy lost under low bit quantization by training a quantized student to match the output distribution of a frozen higher precision teacher via a KL-divergence loss. In this work, we first provide a representation level diagnosis of QAD: output matching alone can mask internal degradation, because many intermediate activation geometries can yield similar teacher-aligned logits. Using CKA, we show that KL-only QAD can reduce layerwise representational similarity relative to the BF16 teacher, with especially severe drift in RL-post-trained models. This drift correlates with downstream bottlenecks on reasoning and coding tasks, suggesting that low bit recovery requires preserving internal geometry rather than matching outputs alone. Motivated by this finding, we propose \textbf{CKA-QAD}, a CKA-guided representational alignment method for NVFP4 QAD and low bit LLM accuracy recovery. The method adds a lightweight regularizer that preserves internal representational geometry during distillation by aligning layerwise Gram matrices through CKA. Across Nemotron 3 Nano and Qwen3-4B-Thinking-2507, CKA-QAD substantially improves representational alignment and improves downstream reasoning and coding accuracy with modest training overhead. Our findings position CKA-guided representational alignment as a practical complement to output matching for quantized LLM recovery.

C. Liu Fang Tu Srinivasan Manoharan Junhua Zhao Xin Chen +2
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#2 2601.03895v1 Jan 07, 2026

All-Quadrant Bounded Clipping GRPO: Closing the Unbounded Blind Spot for Stable and Generalizable Training

Group Relative Policy Optimization (GRPO) has emerged as a popular algorithm for reinforcement learning with large language models (LLMs). However, GRPO inherits PPO's token-level clipping while replacing token-level advantages with a single sequence-level advantage. Through a four-quadrant analysis of the (likelihood-ratio, advantage) space, we show that this combination leaves one quadrant -- negative advantage combined with an increased likelihood ratio (Q4) -- structurally unbounded, so that a few high-ratio tokens can receive very large suppressive updates that collapse entropy and narrow the reasoning boundary. To address this, we propose All-Quadrant Bounded Clipping GRPO (ABC-GRPO), which applies unconditional clipping in all four quadrants through sign-dependent boundaries. ABC-GRPO clips the likelihood ratio before multiplying by the advantage, adding a trust-region floor in Q2 and a cap in Q4 -- its negative-advantage branch coinciding with dual-clip PPO -- to yield bounded per-step policy displacement in every quadrant. On mathematical reasoning with Qwen3 base models, ABC-GRPO attains the highest Avg@64 and Pass@64: it is statistically superior to GRPO, SAPO, and dual-clip PPO and competitive with the strongest baseline (DAPO), while maintaining substantially higher entropy; the gains transfer to MATH-500 and to out-of-domain code (HumanEval). Ablations isolate Q4 as the dominant blind spot.

Xin Chen C. Liu
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